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Recently on “Wait, So is this a romantic date?” we’re joined by Autostraddle President and

L Term

expert
Riese Bernard
to discuss: The Chart. That is correct! This episode is focused on lesbian interconnectivity — setting up with pals’ exes, friends starting up with the exes, as well as the culture developed by all that crisis.

Arrive for any gossip, remain when it comes down to psychological running. And before that enjoy a casino game that exams Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally would not.)

Thanks for all the great feedback after the premiere! When you haven’t but consider giving us a rating or review!

PROGRAM RECORDS

+ Five years ago Riese put together an
Old Hollywood information
this is the intersection of my interests.

+ Discover
the article
I reference in which I mention hooking up using my roommates.

+ My crush of the few days Mj Rodriguez revealed a music video clip on her track
“something you should state”
!

+ As anyone who has just observed a handful of episodes of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush for the week C.C. Babcock was surprising in my opinion whenever it ended up she and Niles aren’t both homosexual. (Christina informs me they basically nevertheless tend to be.)

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Drew:

I’d end up being very fine with it present. I’d never add some other person without their permission. Although thought of whenever somebody had been like, “Confirm that you are connected with me,” I’d be like, “Yeah, it’s the existence i have resided. I do not worry about.” Would be that strange? Is a challenge?

Christina:

No, because if I found myselfn’t, i might feel terrible not. I’d end up like, “hold off, I’m not lying?”

Theme track plays

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I Am Christina.

Drew:

And thanks for visiting

Hold Off, Is It A Night Out Together?

Christina:


Wait, So Is This A Romantic Date?

is an Autostraddle podcast asking the top questions. To begin with, could it be a date? What exactly are times? Who will be times? Do we like times? They are the sorts of concerns that we address about this right here extremely pro and lovely podcast.

Drew:

I’m called Drew Gregory. I am an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I am Christina Tucker. I’m also a writer at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer on the web. I’m improving at describing my self as a writer and, notoriously, a lesbian. Which is you. That’s who we’re.

Drew:

Yeah. So all of our main topic this week is The Chart.

Christina:

I just believed it needed a sting. I’m not sure. That felt actually remarkable, but I think it required it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, please. Thank you so much, many thanks. No, no, no. The correct level of drama.

Christina:

Thank-you.

Drew:

Yeah. Therefore we’re talk with lesbians interconnectivity.

Christina:

I like that expression since it feels like you’ll want to restart the lesbians. It sounds such as the web connection isn’t really operating.

Drew:

Yes. it is rather advanced level, really innovative, additionally has existed since there is lesbians, I think.

Christina:

Yeah. I think students will say whenever they found the initial lesbian fossils, they discovered an information alongside of these created inside mud. And I think’s what that motion picture is focused on, correct? It’s about the chart? That movie with Kate Winslet as well as the sand fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that is what it’s about.

Drew:

I wish

Ammonite

was about cave ladies. I would enjoy that lesbian film.

Christina:

Well, as I haven’t observed it, i will fearlessly point out that it had been. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like we a lot of lesbian period pieces, but we have now never gone right back that much. And I think it’s the perfect time we would.

Christina:

Let us merely keep using it furthermore back in time.

Drew:

Before we obtain to our main subject, you are nevertheless observing united states. And I felt that it will be enjoyable to play a game for which you guys could actually become familiar with Christina. Therefore our very own icebreaker because of this few days is actually slightly online game that I name “Would U-Haul.”

Christina:

I will be, once more, very pressured about it. This may just be the way in which I come to the online game. This might be my online game mentality, somewhat high-key, somewhat stressed. That’s fine. All of us are learning.

Drew:

I do believe which is great. In my opinion that may allow you to be more vulnerable, perhaps.

Christina:

Certainly one of my personal favorite thoughts.

Drew:

Merely a horror, simply an intense terror. So that the method in which “Would U-Haul” works is actually i will describe a situation. Why don’t we call-it Christina enthusiast fiction. And I’m probably pause after each and every small area to-be like, “Okay, Christina, I’m sure that you have never ever lived with somebody, don’t want to live with a partner. But under these situations, would U-Haul?”

Christina:

And that I will sometimes state yes or we’ll state, “i am ready.”

Drew:

If you don’t — well, we’ll see right here. But i am excited. In my opinion i have maybe cracked the signal.

Christina:

You have damaged the rule? I am excited.

Drew:

Let’s observe long this requires. Assuming you won’t ever carry out, In my opinion you winnings? I am not sure just how discover champions here.

Christina:

I am not sure there exists champions for the online game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I am not sure any time you’ll go along with that after that. Thus I’m going to get heading.

Christina:

Fair sufficient.

Drew:

Okay. So, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at your buddy’s marriage. Inspite of the plethora of romcoms you have consumed, you probably did not head to this wedding thinking you would meet any person because, really, this is simply not a romcom. This is actually the actual and regular longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You adopt your designated seat and are generally glancing at your telephone as soon as you recognize a woman at your table wants at you. She presents by herself since your friend’s former baby-sitter. She’s stayed a friend on the family members, but she doesn’t really know any person there. She appears to be mid-forties possesses a striking angular face. You begin talking. She offers to allow you to get a glass or two. And when she stacks up, you understand she’s six foot tall, 6′ 3″ in pumps. So you understand what? I’m just attending stop there and be like, now, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I am intrigued. I’m captivated because i may get set at the marriage. But up to now I’m not U-Hauling anyplace.

Drew:

Cool. Which is totally fair. Totally reasonable. Okay. You spend whole wedding getting to know one another. Absolutely just an instantaneous spark and quick biochemistry. And yes, you are doing hook up and the sex is actually remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

And so this marriage was at Northern California. Which means you both extend your own stays for a few times to fuck and check out and consume at restaurants and screw. Therefore supply to divide the price of the now shared place, but she laughs you down and is also want, “certainly perhaps not, honey.” So the then 3 days tend to be miraculous. You think your own wall space tumbling down. You are dropping faster than you actually have. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Thus only for clarity’s benefit, i am having a tough time imagining a global in which we got three shock times away from work to hang out with one i really do not understand. That seems bonkers. However, if used to do, beneficial to me. But i am not U-Hauling during this period. It will likely be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. That is good. You just came across. I get it. I get it. Okay.

Christina:

Thank you such.

Drew:

So she returns to nyc therefore go back to Philadelphia.

Christina:

This is where We reside.

Drew:

And you are texting all the time. This is where you reside and it’s really where this girl resides. And you are texting always and also you see both multiple times four weeks. She’s really active with her task, but she is quick to buy you a train ticket to help you arrive see the girl and stay at her breathtaking brownstone in Fort Greene. And 6 months pass. And one night if you are out to meal, she asks that relocate along with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And relocate to New York? I don’t love ny. No, I’m not transferring in the six months mark. I am not undertaking that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Completely, entirely, totally. Wow. Okay. So that you keep matchmaking long distance. She realizes that you’ll need some time the woman is ready to loose time waiting for you. Even more several months pass. It is now already been over annually. Your property owner lets you know that they’re offering your home to a developer that is investing in condos, and that means you can’t restore it. You’ll want to get a hold of another place. Your today girl lets you know that no stress, but the woman offer still appears. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. Now, I would personally U-Haul for a couple of reasons.

Drew:

Yay! Ok. Please reveal.

Christina:

Mostly, in a global wherein my personal landlord ended up selling my house to develop it, my personal property manager is currently my companion, to make sure that may seem like something went wrong within relationship. And I should simply leave Philadelphia anyway. And if I get to move in using my girl over here, that looks good. That’s fine. Totally okay. But yeah, I think I might need an external force like a mean property owner.

Drew:

Which is therefore — fine. Used to do think that you might want to require property attain here, therefore I’m pleased I understood that.

Christina:

Yeah. That’s exactly what has got to happen to myself very first.

Drew:

Really, i am glad to know what it takes. So in theory, if you weren’t kicked away, simply how much more hours?

Christina:

Honestly, that may have gone on for a long time. Philly and ny commonly even that far from both. I acquired room over here. We are jumping back-and-forth. We’re having memories. I could have try to let that roll for quite some time until i assume Shoshana turns into the worst person I know.

Drew:

I didn’t know that Shoshana had home. Well, there you choose to go.

Christina:

There we go. Wow, that has been thrilling.

Drew:

Well, thanks for playing.

Christina:

I’m pressured, to be clear.

Drew:

And that I’m pleased that i am aware… perhaps if you’re ever, therefore if anyone’s ever matchmaking you and desires you to definitely move around in, possibly your own gf informed Shoshana to offer your house in the interests of your own union.

Christina:

Genuinely the fastest way — some one would have to keep in touch with Shoshana and get want, “only kick the girl down.” And she’d wind up as, “Yeah, positive. Naturally.” That will be how it took place, although she don’t sell your house. Someone would you need to be like, “Could you only stop the girl away so she will only overcome it and move around in beside me?” And she would say yes. Double she’d do that. That’s what relationship is actually.

Drew:

I enjoy that.

Christina:

Yeah, that is truly beautiful.

Drew:

Well, i’m like we discovered loads about you.

Christina:

Cheers. I feel like I discovered a large number about myself, too. Risk of homelessness is truly the thing that helps to keep me personally relocating any circumstance, i suppose. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that’s great.

Christina:

That was truly thrilling. I am just as happy to move into the major sector because i do believe speaking about lesbian connection because of this guest, because of this special visitor, In my opinion it will be remarkable, Drew. Just how will you be experiencing?

Drew:

I am therefore thrilled. This can be a professional. And by that, after all an

L Keyword

specialist, but in addition a small amount of an expert when you look at the topic accessible.

Christina:

I do believe a few things could be real, my good friend. I think two things can be real undoubtedly. Can we need present all of our guest or can we desire our very own visitor introducing themselves?

Drew:

I might love the guest introducing by herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I will say that our visitor could be the one and only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, communicate.

Riese:

Hi, I Am Riese. And it’s also odd becoming the visitor!

Christina:

Yeah, it really is.

Riese:

I experienced never to say such a thing. I didn’t even exercise. Used to do state things. I’d to sit down right here quietly.

Christina:

While had been actually brave. And your confronts had been valued.

Riese:

Thank you so much plenty.

Christina:

Though this really is certainly a sound medium, Needs our audience to understand that Riese had been creating some good reaction faces during “Would U-Haul.”

Riese:

There’s different ways getting heard. You know what What i’m saying is? That is what i say. I am the President of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m also on an undefeated kickball group. And that is me. We have your pet dog named Carol. And that I have outdated men and women.

Christina:

Congrats regarding the kickball!

Riese:

Thanks a lot. I’ve been involved in men and women.

Christina:

Great. Loving that. That’s fantastic to create for this, this right here dating podcast. That’s really good.

Riese:

Yeah. I do believe that… Could There Be other things?

Drew:

No, In my opinion which is great, Riese.

Christina:

What you may need to discuss.

Riese:

I enjoy raspberries, the fruit raspberries, and pools.

Christina:

Compared to…

Riese:

You Are Aware when someone goes like…

Drew:

It is like when you hit. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those are gross, therefore I just exhausted all of them from my personal mind.

Riese:

Yeah. That is certainly all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Really, I right away thought of you with this subject.

Christina:

That is true.

Drew:

Because to start with, clearly, queer females and non-binary people in lesbian area have-been like, I don’t know, making love with others just who people they know have acquired intercourse with since a long time before

The L Keyword

ended up being actually a string. But i actually do feel like

The L Word

solidified a particular cultural concept of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I decided you’ll have some insight into this topic.

Riese:

It’s real. Two of the article writers, i do want to say, of

The L Keyword

had this genuine chart ones in addition to their buddies they were attracting regarding the wall surface or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, I think, ended up being one of those. She talked to you regarding it, they had built this. Because demonstrably, everyone where copywriter’s room had fucked other individuals in creator — you are aware, and extended internet of the generation of lesbians in la. And they also noticed that and they certainly were like, “Why don’t we place it in the tv show.” Plus some of those take the data. Like, one particular just who … like, actual people are from the information as bull crap.

Christina:

That’s amazing. Which is the method that you understand you’ve made it.

Riese:

Actually that pretty?

Christina:

That might be fascinating for my situation.

Riese:

And so when you haven’t observed

The L Word,

first and foremost, congrats. Second, it will become the centerpiece of 1 of our head character, Alice’s, apartment. She’s got everything over her wall structure. And it also could be the name of a web site which they began labeled as ourchart.com that flopped. And the idea … And it’s into the pilot, I think. In the 1st occurrence, Alice starts dealing with just how everybody’s linked, because everyone’s connected using this person. And I can connect you, like you’re most likely at the most two levels from the me personally. And that ended up being real. Like, despite having Dana, that has not a lot of knowledge because she had been a closeted tennis member, they nonetheless managed to connect the girl. That is certainly real world because it’s genuine.

Christina:

That is culture. Yeah. That’s what tradition appears to be.

Riese:

That is culture. That is queer culture there. And today everybody else makes unique maps.

Christina:

Yeah. To make certain that would be my personal then concern, was have either of you made a chart? Because I don’t consider i’ve, and I am style of today considering like, what was this just last year seated inside my house for easily didn’t make a chart? Like, the thing that was the point of that, actually?

Riese:

I do believe I done it inside my log, as like … Because i prefer, I am not sure, organizing details, i suppose, as a thought workout.

Christina:

Yeah, I think which is in addition precisely why Im surprised that i’ven’t done it. I love the concept of categorizing circumstances.

Riese:

Correct. Yeah. Because it is fascinating. I’m not sure exactly why it’s very fascinating, but it’s. It’s fascinating becoming like, wow, all of these folks, they’re connected. It’s crazy.

Drew:

In the tv show, once ourchart.com is developed, they’ve got an actual data that individuals can truly add material. And that I feel something you joked about on

To L and Straight Back,

and then individuals say constantly is much like, if this existed in an actual means, no-one would place their names upon it, no one would feel comfortable placing their labels on it.

Riese:

You would.

Drew:

I might. I would end up being very fine with it current. I might never ever add another person without their authorization. Although concept of similar, every time someone ended up being like, “Confirm that you are linked to me,” I’d wind up as, “Yeah, this is the life I stayed. I don’t care about.” Is odd? Would be that an issue?

Christina:

No, as if I found myselfn’t, I would personally feel terrible not … i’d resemble, “hold off, I’m not on it? Like, I’m sorry, exactly what?” No, that could in fact send me into lighting moral panic about exactly who Im as one, the things I’m doing. Am I interesting? Would people {like